Regular City Council Meeting

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CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 2. A Resolution authorizing the abatement of the nuisances existing on the following properties and the costs of such abatement to be assessed against and constitute a lien upon such properties, and the hearing of all interested parties:

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 3. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 243-14, adopted by the Council February 25, 2014-, and the hearing of all intereste

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 4. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 265-15, adopted by the Council February 24, 2015, and the hearing of all interested

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 5. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 383-14, adopted by the Council March 18, 2014, and the hearing of all interested pa

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 6. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 502-14, adopted by the Council March 25, 2014, and the hearing of all interested pa

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 7. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 555-15, adopted by the Council April 21, 2015, and the hearing of all interested pa

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 8. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 661-15, adopted by the Council May 5, 2015, and the hearing of all interested parti

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 9. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 2351-14, adopted by the Council December 2, 2014, and the hearing of all interested

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 10. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 1887-15, adopted by the Council December 1, 2015, and the hearing of all intereste

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 11. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 2430-14, adopted by the Council December 16, 2014, and the hearing of all interest

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 12. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 1-16, adopted by the Council January 5, 2016, and the hearing of all interested pa

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 13. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 2962-16, adopted by the Council December 27, 2016, and the hearing of all interest

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 14. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 125-16, adopted by the Council January 26, 2016, and the hearing of all interested

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 15. A Resolution fixing a special assessment against the following properties for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, as declared by Resolution No. 312-17, adopted by the Council February 7, 2017, and the hearing of all interested

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 16. A Resolution authorizing the abatement and removal of the following inoperable motor vehicle as a public nuisance existing on the following property and the costs of removal to be assessed against the registered owner of the vehicle, a

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 17. A Resolution authorizing the abatement and removal of the following inoperable motor vehicle as a public nuisance existing on the following property and the costs of removal to be assessed against the registered owner of the vehicle, a

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CONSENT(ph) ITEM 18. A Resolution authorizing the abatement and removal of the following inoperable motor vehicle as a public nuisance existing on the following property and the costs of removal to be assessed against the registered owner of the vehicle, a

· Item number:Item #26 $ Total cost: $500 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 19. An Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 17-173, adopted by the Council December 19, 2017 which transferred $500.00 from North Avondale Neighborhood Association, to read as follows: "An Ordinance 'TO FURTHER AMEND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION

· Item number:Item #27 $ Total cost: $7K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 20. An Ordinance "TO FURTHER AMEND THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET" for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2018, by appropriating $7,000.00 to Mayor's Office, Economic Development, Marketing and Promotion, said Funding Source being funds received from t

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CONSENT ITEM 21. An Ordinance "TO FURTHER AMEND THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET" for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2018, by appropriating $1,025.00 to Equipment Management, Capital Outlay Other Equipment, said funding source being reimbursement received. (Subm

· Item number:Item #29 $ Total cost: $6K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 22. An Ordinance "TO FURTHER AMEND THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET" for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2018, by appropriating $6,058.97 to Non Departmental, Festival Center per Economic Incentive agreement, said funding source being additional Sales

· Item number:Item #30 $ Total cost: $283K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 23. An Ordinance "TO FURTHER AMEND THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET" for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2018, by transferring $283,118.00 from Mayor's Office, Personnel Services and appropriating $283,118.00 to Community Development, Personnel Servic

· Item number:Item #31 $ Total cost: $300K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 24. An Ordinance "TO FURTHER AMEND THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET" for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2018, by appropriating $300,000.00 to Parks and Recreation, East Lake Park Improvements per ADECA grant award received. The Improvements include:

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CONSENT ITEM 27. A Resolution authorizing the City Attorney, upon her recommendation, to settle a personal injury claim arising from an allegation of employment discrimination and authorizing the Mayor, the City Attorney, or one of her assistants, to exec

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CONSENT ITEM 28. A Resolution determining that the District 9 Neighborhood Presidents Quarterly Meeting that is being held on Saturday, February 10, 2018, at 11:00 a.m., at Birmingham City Hall, in Conference Rooms "D & E", serves a public purpose that pr

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CONSENT ITEM 29. A Resolution authorizing the Mayor to execute and deliver an agreement with The Birmingham Board of Education in an amount not to exceed $1,000.00 to provide the following goods and services for the benefit of students of the Birmingham C

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CONSENT ITEM 30. A Resolution authorizing the Mayor to expend funds in an amount not to exceed $5,000.00 to purchase new and additional supplies, folding tables, popcorn cart, microwave oven, and please see list. All supplies and equipment to be used for

· Item number:Item #36 $ Total cost: $720 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 31. A Resolution authorizing the Mayor to expend funds in an amount not to exceed $720.00 to maintain the entry walls for the Neighborhood, $60.00 for each wall every month for December 2017 to December 2018, pursuant to §11-47-19, Code of

· Item number:Item #37 $ Total cost: $1K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 32. A Resolution authorizing the Mayor to expend funds in an amount not to exceed $1,000.00 to the Birmingham Library Board for the Woodlawn Library to purchase a new flat screen television cart and Xbox gaming system, , pursuant to §11-47

· Item number:Item #38 $ Total cost: $10K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 33. A Resolution authorizing the Mayor to expend funds in an amount not to exceed $9,999.99 to replace a neighborhood sign that was hit by a vehicle and destroyed earlier this year, pursuant to §11-47-19, Code of Alabama, 1975, said funds

· Item number:Item #39 $ Total cost: $3K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 35. A Resolution fixing a Sales Tax Assessment in the amount of $2,618.95, against CTH Rentals LLC and Amy Collins, the person responsible for the collection and remittance of taxes, doing business as CTH Rentals LLC for the period of October

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CONSENT ITEM 36. A Resolution fixing a Sales Tax Assessment in the amount of $3,396.04, against 420 LLC and Reginald Washington, the person responsible for the collection and remittance of taxes, doing business as Luxe Ultra Lounge for the period of June

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CONSENT ITEM 37. A Resolution authorizing the Director of Planning, Engineering and Permits to issue a condemnation repair permit to Lutaveus Lee, the owner or agent of the property located at 1912 - 24th Street North, Birmingham, which was condemned by t

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CONSENT ITEM 38. A Resolution authorizing the Director of Planning, Engineering and Permits to issue a condemnation repair permit to Clifton Burns, the owner or agent of the property located at 1016 - 35th Street Ensley, Birmingham, which was condemned by

· Item number:Item #43 $ Total cost: $362K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 39. A Resolution accepting the lump sum bid of A.G. Gaston Construction Company, Inc., 2 20th Street North, Suite 150, Birmingham, in the amount of $362,400.00, for Pavilion Replacement or Repair Package, located at Various Addresses, this be

· Item number:Item #44 $ Total cost: $162K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 40. A Resolution accepting the lump sum bid of Gillespie Construction, LLC, 4565 Highway 5, Birmingham, in the amount of $162,379.80, for the Roebuck Springs Road Street Improvements, this being the lowest and best bid submitted, and authoriz

· Item number:Item #45 $ Total cost: $267K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 41. A Resolution rescinding Resolution No. 715-17, adopted by the Council March 14, 2017 accepting the lump sum bid of P & P, Inc., Adamsville, Alabama, in the amount of $267,396.80 for the Lane Park Road Culvert Replacement Project, due to u

· Item number:Item #46 $ Total cost: $296K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 42. A Resolution accepting the lump sum bid of Southeastern Sealcoating, Inc., 1330 Adamsville Industrial Parkway, Birmingham, AL 35224, in the amount of $295,948.40, for the Lane Park Road Culvert Replacement Project, this being the lowest a

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CONSENT ITEM 43. A Resolution accepting and approving the bid of Diversified Industries, Homewood, Alabama, for Rehabilitation of Houses (CRGP) - Roofing for Group 2, Group 3, Group 6 and Group 7 on file in the Office of the Purchasing Agent, for a period

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CONSENT ITEM 44. A Resolution accepting and approving the bid of Home Shield, Birmingham, for Rehabilitation of Houses (CRGP) - Roofing for Group 4 on file in the Office of the Purchasing Agent, for a period of one (1) year, for the Community Development

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CONSENT ITEM 45. A Resolution accepting and approving the bid of Southern Remodeling, Adger, Alabama, for Rehabilitation of Houses (CRGP) - Roofing for Group 1 and Group 5 on file in the Office of the Purchasing Agent, for a period of one (1) year, for th

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CONSENT ITEM 46. A Resolution accepting and approving the bid of Heritage Realty Holdings, LLC, Dolomite, Alabama, for the purchase of demolition services for condemned residential structures located in Quadrant IV as needed at the unit price on file in t

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CONSENT ITEM 47. A Resolution accepting and approving the bid of Johns Construction, Gadsden, Alabama, for the purchase of demolition services for condemned residential structures located in Quadrant I as needed at the unit price on file in the office of

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CONSENT ITEM 48. A Resolution accepting and approving the bid of Nelson Family Lawn Care, LLC, Homewood, Alabama, for the purchase of demolition services for condemned residential structures located in Quadrant III as needed at the unit price on file in t

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CONSENT ITEM 49. A Resolution accepting and approving the bid of Swanson Enterprises S/C Contractors, Birmingham, for the purchase of demolition services for condemned residential structures located in Quadrant II as needed at the unit price on file in th

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CONSENT ITEM 50. A Resolution amending Resolution No. 2925-17, adopted by the Council December 12, 2017, fixing a special assessment against various properties throughout the City for the abatement of noxious or dangerous weeds, to remove 5000 6TH AVE S,

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CONSENT ITEM 51. A Resolution amending Resolution No. 2927-17, adopted by the Council December 12, 2017, fixing a special assessment against Parcel ID 30-16-4-06-18.000-RR, Batch M-13, Location 1437 Miles St 35061 for the abatement of noxious or dangerous

· Item number:Item #56 $ Total cost: $2K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 52. A Resolution approving payment to Alabama Lock and Key Company, Birmingham, in the amount of $2,000.00, for the purchase of locksmith supplies and hardware not available at the central stores or facility services warehouse, on an as neede

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CONSENT ITEM 53. A Resolution approving payment to American Pipe and Supply Company, Inc., Birmingham, in the amount of $114.22, for the purchase of parts to be used in the repair of sink faucets located within the David J. Vann Municipal Justice Center,

· Item number:Item #58 $ Total cost: $688 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 54. A Resolution approving payment to GLS Supply, LLC, Birmingham, in the amount of $688.65, for the purchase of various parts and supplies needed to move a water line located within Fire Station 31, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Bi

· Item number:Item #59 $ Total cost: $2K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 55. A Resolution approving payment to GLS Supply, LLC, Birmingham, in the amount of $2,000.00, for the purchase of plumbing supplies not available at the central stores or facility services warehouse, on an as needed basis for various jobs to

· Item number:Item #60 $ Total cost: $381 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 56. A Resolution approving payment to Ice Makers, Inc., Birmingham, in the amount of $381.25, for the purchase of various parts and supplies to be used in the repair of ice machines throughout the City, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the

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CONSENT ITEM 57. A Resolution approving payment to Ice Makers, Inc., Birmingham, in the amount of $2,000.00, for the purchase of ice machine and refrigeration parts and supplies not available at the central stores or facility services warehouse, on an as

· Item number:Item #62 $ Total cost: $3K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 58. A Resolution approving payment to J W Auto Body and Collision, Birmingham, in the amount of $3,237.90 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 174324, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the B

· Item number:Item #63 $ Total cost: $400 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 59. A Resolution approving payment to Paul Pierce Paint and Body, Birmingham, in the amount of $400.00 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 092201, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birm

· Item number:Item #64 $ Total cost: $2K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 60. A Resolution approving payment to Paul Pierce Paint and Body, Birmingham, in the amount of $2,289.00 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 144337, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Bi

· Item number:Item #65 $ Total cost: $597 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 61. A Resolution approving payment to Paul Pierce Paint and Body, Birmingham, in the amount of $597.80 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 144351, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birm

· Item number:Item #66 $ Total cost: $6K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 62. A Resolution approving payment to Sheraton Birmingham Hotel, Birmingham, in the amount of $5,696.40, to provide lodging for apparatus operator testing assessors, for the Fire Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birmingham

· Item number:Item #67 $ Total cost: $743 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 63. A Resolution approving payment to Supreme Automotive, Birmingham, in the amount of $743.99 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 044345, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birmingham C

· Item number:Item #68 $ Total cost: $2K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 64. A Resolution approving payment to Supreme Automotive, Birmingham, in the amount of $1,622.38 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 094318, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birmingham

· Item number:Item #69 $ Total cost: $585 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 65. A Resolution approving payment to Tucker Paint and Body, Birmingham, in the amount of $585.00 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 174316, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birmingha

· Item number:Item #70 $ Total cost: $336K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 66. A Resolution authorizing the Director of Finance to make eleven (11) refunds in the total amount of $336,138.13. (Held Over from 1/16/18 to 1/23/18)

· Item number:Item #71 $ Total cost: $1K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 67. A Resolution approving the following Expense Account: (Held Over from 1/16/18 to 1/23/18)** Darrell O'Quinn, Councilor, City Council, Atlanta, Georgia, $1,092.65, Decemb

· Item number:Item #72 $ Total cost: $365 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 68. A Resolution approving the following Advanced Expense Account: (Held Over from 1/16/18 to 1/23/18)** William Parker, Councilor, City Council, Montgomery, Alabama, $365.6

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CONSENT ITEM 69. A Resolution approving the itemized expense accounts of city employees. (Held Over from 1/16/18 to 1/23/18)

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CONSENT ITEM 70. A Resolution approving the advanced expense accounts of city employees. (Held Over from 1/16/18 to 1/23/18)

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CONSENT ITEM 71. A Resolution approving the advanced expense accounts of city employees. (Held Over from 1/16/18 to 1/23/18)

· Item number:Item #79 $ Total cost: $75K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 78. An Ordinance "TO FURTHER AMEND THE CAPITAL FUND BUDGET" for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2018, by transferring $75,000.00 from various completed projects and appropriating $75,000.00 to Finley Road Access Grant Match for ALDOT grant aw

· Item number:Item #80 $ Total cost: $35K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 82. A Resolution accepting the lump sum proposal of Alabama Guardrail, Inc., Cleveland, Alabama, in the amount of $35,050.00 for the Sydney Drive Guardrail Project this being the lowest and best proposal submitted, and authorizing the Mayor t

· Item number:Item #82 $ Total cost: $100K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 84. A Resolution approving payment to NAPA Genuine Parts, Atlanta, Georgia, in an amount not to exceed $100,000.00 for miscellaneous auto parts, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birmingham City

· Item number:Item #83 $ Total cost: $30K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 85. A Resolution approving payment to O'Reilly Automotive Stores, Springfield, Missouri, in an amount not to exceed $30,000.00 for miscellaneous auto parts, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birm

· Item number:Item #84 $ Total cost: $974 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 86. A Resolution approving payment to J W Auto Body and Collision, Birmingham, in the amount of $974.30 for wreck repair and supplement on vehicle number 134955, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the

· Item number:Item #85 $ Total cost: $532 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 87. A Resolution approving payment to J W Auto Body and Collision, Birmingham, in the amount of $532.14 for supplement to automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 174328, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-

· Item number:Item #86 $ Total cost: $3K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 88. A Resolution approving payment to Rich's Collision Repair LLC, Adamsville, Alabama, in the amount of $2,626.86 for wreck repair on vehicle number 174314, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Bi

· Item number:Item #87 $ Total cost: $2K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 89. A Resolution approving payment to Tucker Paint and Body, Birmingham, in the amount of $2,034.88 for automobile wreck repair on vehicle number 144372, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birming

· Item number:Item #88 $ Total cost: $6K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 90. A Resolution approving payment to Pinson Machining and Welding, Birmingham, in the amount of $6,300.00 for the repair of bush hogs, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birmingham City Code, and

· Item number:Item #89 $ Total cost: $14K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 91. A Resolution approving payment to Sansom Equipment Company, Inc., Birmingham, in the amount of $13,636.74 for the repair of an Elgin sweeper, #054911, for the Equipment Management Department, in accordance with Section 3-1-7 of the Birmi

· Item number:Item #90 $ Total cost: $475 ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 92. A Resolution approving the following Advanced Expense Account: ** William Parker, Councilor, City Council, Montgomery, Alabama, $475.35, January 24-26, 2018 to attend 201

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CONSENT ITEM 93. A Resolution approving the itemized expense accounts of city employees.

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APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA

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CONSENT ITEM 26. WITHDRAW AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILOR HILLIARD A Resolution appointing Alexia Patterson to the Office of Councilor John Hilliard, District 9, to provide a messaging and communications strategy that will keep Councilor John Hilliard engaged

· Item number:Item #101 $ Total cost: $4K ⏳ Status: summary updating

CONSENT ITEM 34. A Resolution authorizing the Mayor to expend funds in an amount not to exceed $4,000.00 to obtain tree service to prune trees through-out neighborhood, pursuant to §11-47-19, Code of Alabama, 1975, said funds to come from the Pine Knol